K guys I think some of our more elite members should come on and post their suggested specs for the classes in which they have played.

Specs that have exceeded or met expectations of great dps and raiding survivability. For starters I will link my Druid Feral specs both tanking and feral dps, was well as the original tanking spec with slightly more mitigation.

http://www.wowhead.com/?talent#0ZxrGccrdceRcczVkbAczb (tanking for threat and damage)

http://www.wowhead.com/?talent#0ZErGccrdceRcczVkbA0z (tanking for mitigation)

http://www.wowhead.com/?talent#0ZEGzcfrz0eo0huAkbAczb (feral dps)

I've been pretty happy with my builds and have made only very little tweeks with them.. Here are my two DK builds.

Unholy Tank (AOE threat generation)
http://www.wowhead.com/?talent#j0xMZhxZcg0Ixcb0futzucqo

Bloody Frost Knight DPS build.. good DPS and some nice AOE damage output.
http://www.wowhead.com/?talent#jfV0VhZG0e0AbcofhcuzAoz


Take what you want... Throw out what you don't like... Hope it helps someone.
Gulgoth.

Frost DW build, pretty simple. Glyphs of Disease, Obliterate, and Frost Strike
http://www.wowarmory.com/talent-calc.xm ... 0000000000

Survival Hunter-if you need points in focused aim for hit, take from Imp. AotH
http://www.wowarmory.com/talent-calc.xm ... 3135301011

Marks Hunter-if you need points in focused aim for hit, take from efficiency
http://www.wowarmory.com/talent-calc.xm ... 0000000000

feel free to ask me any questions you need.

i have to disagree on your mm build for mine i have
http://www.wowarmory.com/talent-calc.xm ... 0000000000
i disagree with you putting points into efficency and rapid recuperation. instead of that i would put them into improv steady and silencing shot.

rapid repurcussion is a must, as that is your mana-regen mechanic as a Marks hunter. It keeps you out of Viper longer, which is a large overall dps increase. the only time you don;t need this talent is if you ONLY run 25's, since mana regen becomes almost a non-issue with all the buffs and replenishments in a 25.

Imp steady shot is a 15% when you use steady shot (which is less as MM than as SV or BM) to proc a 15% damage increase to 1 shot. The rate/return is far too low to justify 3 points. you're better off putting 2 of those in rapid repurcussion, and the last one finishing out focused fire in the BM tree.

I've read that since silencing shot doesn't trigger the GCD it's worth macro-ing into all your other shots, but I have always found it to be a dps decrese because of the mana cost.

If you want accurate numbers, don't just recount until you go oom. recount through one full mana bar, switch to viper and recharge all the way, then switch back to hawk and go until oom again. you need to take time spent in viper into your dps concideration. The longer you can stay out of it, the better your dps will be overall.

for the most part i run 25 m because of my time restrictions living in germany so yes mana regen is deffinately not a problem with me but still with other good dps in the usual few 10 m i run i usually only have to viper for around 3 sec and that around 2 or 3 times just to squeeze in two steady shots and a couple regular shots. In the smaller groups, like heroics, i spend a significant amount of time regening with viper and i think the dps value for intel for cart was something like 1.0something with agil still being the highest.

With improv steady shot it does have a increadiably low procc chance but comparaed to a bit of mana regen and decreased mana cost i would swing towards the improv steady, b/c of the raids i usually do. During the summer when my raiding becomes much more active in 10 mans i would probly switch over to a similar build with the mana regen.

There is most definately a good bit of vitality to rapid recc but it would definately change my rotation slightly. with how i usually go for beserking, and when that gets done go to rapid fire, wait till thats down and my shots are on cd and then readiness and fire all my shots and rapid fire again. i would have to hold off on that till my mana gets low and my proccs are up.

With talking about 25m in voa 25 on the fire dude i think i didnt drop below 70% mana after the fight was done. So most diffentely this summer i would consider changing my build around but for the time being im gona continue to rock my current one.

Interesting new article for Hunters MM and SV..

http://www.tankspot.com/forums/f177/576 ... guide.html